Donald Trump talks a lot of smack about the media in public. But, in private, it turns out he’s happy to shoot the breeze with reporters—even the ones he claims are liars and lunatics. Even when they cold-call him from an unknown number. Even on a Saturday morning.

President Trump answered a cold call from Staff Writer at The Atlantic Michael Scherer on a personal phone and Trump told him that he runs the country and the world. Scherer joins Alex Witt to share more details on his talk with the president.